Bayliner vs Other boats

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j***@gmail.com

2006-10-05 15:32:46 UTC

I am looking to get a used boat. It seems that Bayliners are more
expensive which would lead me to believe they are better quality. I am
also looking at a Wellcraft. Both are comprable in size.

Any information would be appreciated!

JP

Capt John

2006-10-05 15:37:54 UTC

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Post by j***@gmail.com
I am looking to get a used boat. It seems that Bayliners are more
expensive which would lead me to believe they are better quality. I am
also looking at a Wellcraft. Both are comprable in size.
Any information would be appreciated!
JP

Bayliners tend to be on the lower end, when it comes to price and
quality. Their not bad boats, their just not on par with most other
brands. Their resale is on the lower end as well, if not, it's
overpriced.

John

Varis

2006-10-09 20:20:17 UTC

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Post by Capt John
Bayliners tend to be on the lower end, when it comes to price and
quality. Their not bad boats, their just not on par with most other
brands. Their resale is on the lower end as well, if not, it's
overpriced.
John

Bayliner has such a reputation even on this side of the big pond :-)
For example if you compare a similar boat from Bayliner and say,
SeaRay, the latter can have 50% heavier construction. The extra weight
goes to a stronger, stiffer hull, which you will need if you are likely
to do aggressive riding in rough conditions. If you mostly boat in
sheltered bays in fair weather, a Bayliner would probably do just
fine... but in a rougher usage the hull would gradually get weaker over
the years, as I understand it.

I suppose others can give a bunch of examples on what "quality" means
when talking boats.

Risto

JimH

2006-10-09 20:32:55 UTC

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Post by Varis

Bayliner has such a reputation even on this side of the big pond :-)
For example if you compare a similar boat from Bayliner and say,
SeaRay, the latter can have 50% heavier construction.

On an apples to apples basis could you cite some examples? ;-)

Chuck Gould

2006-10-10 03:00:55 UTC

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Post by Varis
Bayliner has such a reputation even on this side of the big pond :-)
For example if you compare a similar boat from Bayliner and say,
SeaRay, the latter can have 50% heavier construction. The extra weight
goes to a stronger, stiffer hull, which you will need if you are likely
to do aggressive riding in rough conditions. If you mostly boat in
sheltered bays in fair weather, a Bayliner would probably do just
fine... but in a rougher usage the hull would gradually get weaker over
the years, as I understand it.

I can't speak for European boats, but here in the US it simply would
not be true to state that a Sea Ray is 50% heavier than a Bayliner of
comparable size. Nor would it be considered a good thing, performance
wise.

http://www.searay.com/sport_cruisers.asp?display=brochure&tab=2&modelid=81075&reqtype=1,5,9,19

http://www.bayliner.com/cruisers.asp?modelid=54111

unknown

2006-10-05 15:34:23 UTC

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IMHO, if Bayliners are more expensive where you are looking, you are
looking in the wrong place. Most people would not conclude that
Bayliner is a higher quality boat.

Why are you drawn to Bayliner and Wellcraft? What will you use the
boat for? Where will you use the boat? Post the who, what, when,
where, how, and why of your boating needs and you will get some useful
advice.

Starting with a manufacturer or two will prove much less satisfactory
than deciding what you will use the boat for and then looking for a
boat that serves your needs....

Search http://tinyurl.com/psopp for competitive boat pricing....
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Chuck Gould

2006-10-05 16:18:11 UTC

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Bayliners are the affordable, mass-produced, volume sellers in the
boating industry.
Bayliner is to boating somewhat like Chevrolet is to the auto industry.
Millions of people buy them, love them, get adequate or better service
from them and have a wonderful time on the water as a result. None of
those are bad things. Few people buying a Bayliner would claim that
they just purchased the world's finest boat available from anybody at
any price. Most people don't own the "best" of anything in life, and
get along just fine anyway. For most recreational boating purposes, an
appropriately sized and equipped Bayliner can be
a very workable choice and in most situations will prove to be as
adequately safe and about as reliable as anything else available. These
are family boats, not bluewater battlewagons, (and if you are planning
to go well offshore during possibly miserable weather conditions you
might want to consider something built to a $touter $tandard), but
otherwise an intelligently selected Bayliner is a decent option for a
lot of people. About 20 years ago they built some genuinely bad boats,
but unless you're looking at boats from the 1980's you can be assured
that Bayliner has done as much as anybody and more than most (for
reasons that have been apparent) to improve the product since. As I
said, think Chevrolet. Don't let anybody convince you that really need
to think Yugo, and don't expect it to outshine a Lexus or a Mercedes.

There isn't any general reason that used Bayliners should be more
expensive than other boats. Perhaps the specific boats you're comparing
are slightly larger, a couple of years newer, have extra equipment and
options, extremely low engine hours and are exceptionally well
maintained?

Danlw

2006-10-06 05:00:14 UTC

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Post by Chuck Gould

Bayliners are the affordable, mass-produced, volume sellers in the
boating industry.
Bayliner is to boating somewhat like Chevrolet is to the auto industry.
Millions of people buy them, love them, get adequate or better service
from them and have a wonderful time on the water as a result. None of
those are bad things. Few people buying a Bayliner would claim that
they just purchased the world's finest boat available from anybody at
any price. Most people don't own the "best" of anything in life, and
get along just fine anyway. For most recreational boating purposes, an
appropriately sized and equipped Bayliner can be
a very workable choice and in most situations will prove to be as
adequately safe and about as reliable as anything else available. These
are family boats, not bluewater battlewagons, (and if you are planning
to go well offshore during possibly miserable weather conditions you
might want to consider something built to a $touter $tandard), but
otherwise an intelligently selected Bayliner is a decent option for a
lot of people. About 20 years ago they built some genuinely bad boats,
but unless you're looking at boats from the 1980's you can be assured
that Bayliner has done as much as anybody and more than most (for
reasons that have been apparent) to improve the product since. As I
said, think Chevrolet. Don't let anybody convince you that really need
to think Yugo, and don't expect it to outshine a Lexus or a Mercedes.
There isn't any general reason that used Bayliners should be more
expensive than other boats. Perhaps the specific boats you're comparing
are slightly larger, a couple of years newer, have extra equipment and
options, extremely low engine hours and are exceptionally well
maintained?

As someone who has had 20+ boats over the last 25 years, sometimes three at
a time, I agree with Chuck. A Bayliner is NOT going to win any awards for
quality, but it is "adequate"
for most recreational situations. However, it should be priced lower than
most other boats the same size and, most important, condition. A Bayliner
is not anywhere close to the quality of a Wellcraft of about the same age,
assuming that the care and hours of use are similar.
Either way, boating is great! Dan

t***@gmail.com

2006-10-10 02:21:11 UTC

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Chuck Gould wrote:
These

Post by Chuck Gould
are family boats, not bluewater battlewagons,

LOL!

"bluewater battlewagons"

I like that....

Short Wave Sportfishing

2006-10-05 16:40:04 UTC

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It depends on year, model and condition.

In general, Bayliners are entry level boats and for a period of time
had some serious quality problems which led to an unfair, even if
deserved, reputation for being junk. The current boats are sound and
not subject to a lot of quality problems but they are entry level
boats and in general, cheaper to purchase because they have a lower
resale value. Doesn't mean it's a good boat depending on the year and
model.

Wellcraft also have similar problems depending on age and condition -
there was a period of time where their quality slipped, but it wasn't
any where near as drastic as Bayliner. Current boats are decent.

Bill Kearney

2006-10-05 20:11:51 UTC

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Post by j***@gmail.com
Any information would be appreciated!

Where are you located? Where will you be boating? What type of boating are
you expecting to do?

These questions are more important than a particular brand.

Chad

2006-10-05 21:39:09 UTC

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Post by Bill Kearney

Post by j***@gmail.com
Any information would be appreciated!

Where are you located? Where will you be boating? What type of boating are
you expecting to do?
These questions are more important than a particular brand.

I would agree with every one else as a similar bayliner should be less
monies so don't over pay and go to nada
http://www.nadaguides.com/home.aspx?l=1&w=28&p=0&f=5000

Eddie

2006-10-06 01:30:53 UTC

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Regal or SeaRay.
But not a Bayliner.
Eddie