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Save the Transfats!

FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk

Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.

The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.

FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."

The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.

The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.

"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.

"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."

The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.

Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary
heart disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the
arteries, which may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including
a 2002 report from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct
correlation between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL
cholesterol, which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The
institute recommended against eating any amount of the fats, finding
they offered no health benefit.
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Califbill
2013-11-08 01:33:08 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
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2013-11-08 13:22:38 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Califbill
2013-11-08 20:41:08 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
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2013-11-08 21:08:26 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
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2013-11-08 21:55:15 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
amdx
2013-11-08 22:02:54 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
What? you don't believe in unlimited healthcare benefits that Obamacare
mandates. Geez, it's just other peoples money. It's also part of the
reason Obamacare costs more than twice the price of a preObamacare
insurance policy.
Mikek
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
I wonder if Loogie is feeling the burden that has been thrust upon him
by O'Bama
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Califbill
2013-11-09 18:06:17 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
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FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
amdx
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Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
We wonder why they are still there too!
Mikek
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Have to admit. Sometimes your logic baffles the mind.

Are the addicts "still on Market St." the same people who were there
10-15 years ago? Do addicts live to the ripe old age of 95?
g***@aol.com
2013-11-10 17:31:28 UTC
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Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Have to admit. Sometimes your logic baffles the mind.
Are the addicts "still on Market St." the same people who were there
10-15 years ago? Do addicts live to the ripe old age of 95?
We are seeing the grandkids and great grandkids of the 60s hippies now
with a government welfare policy that still supports that lifestyle
although they have lost most of that peace and love stuff.
They are just bums now.
iBoaterer
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Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Have to admit. Sometimes your logic baffles the mind.
Are the addicts "still on Market St." the same people who were there
10-15 years ago? Do addicts live to the ripe old age of 95?
We are seeing the grandkids and great grandkids of the 60s hippies now
with a government welfare policy that still supports that lifestyle
although they have lost most of that peace and love stuff.
They are just bums now.
That's the point that Bill just doesn't get. Drug addicts, like
population in general re-populate.
Califbill
2013-11-11 01:09:51 UTC
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Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Have to admit. Sometimes your logic baffles the mind.
Are the addicts "still on Market St." the same people who were there
10-15 years ago? Do addicts live to the ripe old age of 95?
We are seeing the grandkids and great grandkids of the 60s hippies now
with a government welfare policy that still supports that lifestyle
although they have lost most of that peace and love stuff.
They are just bums now.
That's the point that Bill just doesn't get. Drug addicts, like
population in general re-populate.
Then they can re-depart.
Mr. Luddite
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You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Interesting statistics from the National Institute on Drug Abuse (USA
numbers):

About 570,000 people die annually due to drug use.

440,000 of them are from diseases related to smoking tobacco.
85,000 are due directly to alcohol abuse.
20,000 are due directly to the use of illicit drugs.
20,000 are due directly to prescription drug abuse.

About 43,000 people die each year in automobile accidents. Half are
alcohol or drug related.

About 32,000 people a year die of firearms related causes. Over half of
them are suicides.
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FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Because SF pays the highest welfare payments in the country. Those street
people get food, medical care, etc. they die sometimes. But mostly the SF
police pick them up and take them to SF General, if they look like health
problem.
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FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Because SF pays the highest welfare payments in the country. Those street
people get food, medical care, etc. they die sometimes. But mostly the SF
police pick them up and take them to SF General, if they look like health
problem.
So they could just as well be in your yard. Next.
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FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health
benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Because SF pays the highest welfare payments in the country. Those street
people get food, medical care, etc. they die sometimes. But mostly the SF
police pick them up and take them to SF General, if they look like health
problem.
So they could just as well be in your yard. Next.
Then they infringe on my space, and I have the police remove them. Next.
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FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health
benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Because SF pays the highest welfare payments in the country. Those street
people get food, medical care, etc. they die sometimes. But mostly the SF
police pick them up and take them to SF General, if they look like health
problem.
So they could just as well be in your yard. Next.
Then they infringe on my space, and I have the police remove them. Next.
More come the next day. Next.
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So they could just as well be in your yard. Next.
Then they infringe on my space, and I have the police remove them. Next.
More come the next day. Next.
Just turn on the sprinklers.
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So they could just as well be in your yard. Next.
Then they infringe on my space, and I have the police remove them. Next.
More come the next day. Next.
Just turn on the sprinklers.
Actually the raccoons that are tearing up the lawn presently, might tear up
the sitters.
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Just turn on the sprinklers.
Actually the raccoons that are tearing up the lawn presently, might tear up
the sitters.
Raccoons tearing up the yard? Are you sure it isn't armadillos?
Raccoons get in the trash and eat the fruit off your trees but I have
not heard of them tearing up the lawn.
Armadillos will drill a 2" hole in the ground about 50 times a night
digging up grubs and other tasty lawn critters.
Now when you get gopher tortoises you can really get some damage.
I still put up with them tho.
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Just turn on the sprinklers.
Actually the raccoons that are tearing up the lawn presently, might tear up
the sitters.
Raccoons tearing up the yard? Are you sure it isn't armadillos?
Raccoons get in the trash and eat the fruit off your trees but I have
not heard of them tearing up the lawn.
Armadillos will drill a 2" hole in the ground about 50 times a night
digging up grubs and other tasty lawn critters.
Now when you get gopher tortoises you can really get some damage.
I still put up with them tho.
No armadillos here. The raccoons go after the worms and grubs. My lawn
was being over watered, problem with the sprinkler controller. So very
wet, and I think it drove the worms and grubs toward the surface.
John H
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Just turn on the sprinklers.
Actually the raccoons that are tearing up the lawn presently, might tear up
the sitters.
Raccoons tearing up the yard? Are you sure it isn't armadillos?
Raccoons get in the trash and eat the fruit off your trees but I have
not heard of them tearing up the lawn.
Armadillos will drill a 2" hole in the ground about 50 times a night
digging up grubs and other tasty lawn critters.
Now when you get gopher tortoises you can really get some damage.
I still put up with them tho.
No armadillos here. The raccoons go after the worms and grubs. My lawn
was being over watered, problem with the sprinkler controller. So very
wet, and I think it drove the worms and grubs toward the surface.
And to think that I used to get a buck and a half for a raccoon skin when I was in high school. Of
course, we spent a lot of time in the woods at night to make our few dollars.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
iBoaterer
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Just turn on the sprinklers.
Actually the raccoons that are tearing up the lawn presently, might tear up
the sitters.
Raccoons tearing up the yard? Are you sure it isn't armadillos?
Raccoons get in the trash and eat the fruit off your trees but I have
not heard of them tearing up the lawn.
Armadillos will drill a 2" hole in the ground about 50 times a night
digging up grubs and other tasty lawn critters.
Now when you get gopher tortoises you can really get some damage.
I still put up with them tho.
Friggin' armadillos in FL will ruin a lawn!!
g***@aol.com
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Just turn on the sprinklers.
Actually the raccoons that are tearing up the lawn presently, might tear up
the sitters.
Raccoons tearing up the yard? Are you sure it isn't armadillos?
Raccoons get in the trash and eat the fruit off your trees but I have
not heard of them tearing up the lawn.
Armadillos will drill a 2" hole in the ground about 50 times a night
digging up grubs and other tasty lawn critters.
Now when you get gopher tortoises you can really get some damage.
I still put up with them tho.
Friggin' armadillos in FL will ruin a lawn!!
They are tough on Floritam but bahia seems to recover fairly fast. I
don't think bahia collects as many of the bugs they like either. My
neighbors seem to have worse armadillo damage than I do.
I don't obsess on my lawn tho I don't irrigate so it gets pretty
rough in the spring and winter.

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FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
The Food and Drug Administration has announced plans to have so-called
"partially hydrogenated oils (PHOs)," which are the main source of
artificial trans fats in processed foods, to be classified as food
additives. That means they won't be allowed to be used in food without
authorization of the FDA, which may effectively ban the substances.
FDA commissioner Dr. Margaret Hamburg told reporters Wednesday that the
action is being considered because PHOs are "not generally recognized as
safe for use in food."
The agency will allow 60 days for comments from the public and food
manufacturers, asking the latter how long it might take to reformulate
current products should the determination be finalized.
The agency pointed out some companies have voluntarily been scaling back
the amount of trans fat in foods. But it wants more to be done - an
additional 20,000 heart attacks and 7,000 deaths from heart disease each
year could be prevented by reducing trans fats, according to the FDA.
"These are significant numbers," said Hamburg.
"While consumption of potentially harmful artificial trans fat has
declined over the last two decades in the United States, current intake
remains a significant public health concern," she added in a statement.
"The FDA's action today is an important step toward protecting more
Americans from the potential dangers of trans fat."
The oils behind trans fats can be found in crackers, cookies, frozen
pies, other baked goods, microwave popcorn and other snacks, frozen
pizza, coffee creamers, refrigerated dough products (like biscuits and
cinnamon rolls), ready-to-use frostings, vegetable shortenings and stick
margarine, according to the FDA.
Consuming trans fat has been tied to an increased risk for coronary heart
disease, a condition in which plaque builds up inside the arteries, which
may lead to a heart attack. Previous research, including a 2002 report
from the nonpartisan Institute of Medicine, found a direct correlation
between eating trans fats and increased levels of "bad" LDL cholesterol,
which in turn can increase heart disease risk. The institute recommended
against eating any amount of the fats, finding they offered no health
benefit.
Nanny state!
Yeah, people should be as unhealthy as possible, then all of the tax
payers can pay for their care.
Still, what is happening to freedom here?
I have no problem with what anybody does to themselves as long as it
doesn't burden ME. That said, who gets to pick and choose just WHAT
"freedoms"? Should one be free to rape or murder? How about arson? Okay
with that? Before you go on about those involve other people, so does
drug use, alcohol use, tobacco use, trans-fat use, and on and on.
You should have freedom to do pretty much what ever you want, as long as
the rest of us do not have to pay for your actions. Rape, murder. That is
someone else paying for your actions. Drugs? You want to use them? Your
choice. But we, as a society, are not picking up your medical or societal
costs. Your family can not afford to support you, you die.
But drug use DOES affect others. In many ways. Are you okay with
trawlers going to your favorite lake and scooping every living thing out
of it? All negative actions affect someone somehow.
Sure drugs affect others, but unless the drug addict is committing crimes
to get the drugs, they affect their close family, friends. Not society as
a whole. Illegal trawlers, etc, affect large parts of society, that is not
closely connected.
Horseshit! I'd guess then, you'd have no problem with drug addicts
camped in your yard every morning? If you had a business, you'd have no
problem with drug addicts sleeping in your doorway?
They die, and don't camp anymore.
Die from what?
Drugs and exposure. Next.
Oh, bullshit! I wonder why all of the addicts are still on Market St. in
SF? If what you said made any sense, they wouldn't be there, they'd be
dead from "drugs and exposure". Next.
Because SF pays the highest welfare payments in the country. Those street
people get food, medical care, etc. they die sometimes. But mostly the SF
police pick them up and take them to SF General, if they look like health
problem.
So they could just as well be in your yard. Next.
Then they infringe on my space, and I have the police remove them. Next.
More come the next day. Next.
And the normal infinite loop arguing by Kevin. Next.
g***@aol.com
2013-11-08 02:27:18 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.

I am still a butter and olive oil guy.
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-08 02:32:10 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.
I am still a butter and olive oil guy.
I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
g***@aol.com
2013-11-08 03:04:11 UTC
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I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.
It has to do with how many times they squeeze the olive to get the
last drip of oil out of it,.
Mr. Luddite
2013-11-08 03:24:38 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.
I am still a butter and olive oil guy.
I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.
Unlike common vegetable oil, olive oil is more like wine in terms of
taste and grading. Where the olives are grown, soil conditions, weather
during the growing season, etc., all affect the "quality" of the oil
when the olives are harvested and the oil is produced.

"Extra Virgin", "Virgin" and ungraded olive oils differ in terms of
their acidity, with premium, extra virgin oils having the lowest acidic
levels.
g***@aol.com
2013-11-08 04:33:34 UTC
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Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.
I am still a butter and olive oil guy.
I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.
Unlike common vegetable oil, olive oil is more like wine in terms of
taste and grading. Where the olives are grown, soil conditions, weather
during the growing season, etc., all affect the "quality" of the oil
when the olives are harvested and the oil is produced.
"Extra Virgin", "Virgin" and ungraded olive oils differ in terms of
their acidity, with premium, extra virgin oils having the lowest acidic
levels.
Garden variety "olive oil" usually has a certain amount of chemically
extracted oil. It is still about the same health wise but it is not
going to have a lot of taste.
Like you say, it is sort of like the difference between a fine wine
and Mad Dog 20/20.

I keep some EV around for things where the oil is an important part of
the flavor but I use the regular stuff when I want some oil but I
don't want the extra flavor that might overwhelm the food I am
cooking. (like fried potatoes and onions)
John H
2013-11-08 12:57:50 UTC
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Post by g***@aol.com
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.
I am still a butter and olive oil guy.
I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.
Taste. Some are good for dipping, some are good for cooking. A good one for dipping is Trader Joe's
'California Estate'. A good one for cooking is Trader Joe's 'President's Reserve Extra Virgin'. The
'President' to which the name refers is *not* Obama.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
iBoaterer
2013-11-08 13:23:19 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by g***@aol.com
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.
I am still a butter and olive oil guy.
I like olive oil, though I have yet to figure out the difference between
olive oil and superduper extra pure virgin olive oil.
Taste.
Gogarty
2013-11-08 16:19:48 UTC
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Post by g***@aol.com
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
I find it interesting that trans fats were originally supposed to be
the safe alternative to animal fat.
I remember the big PR campaign when McDonalds stopped cooking their
fries in lard and went to TF.
I am still a butter and olive oil guy.
That's the right stuff. My wife comes from Turkey where olive oil is the
fat of choice. I come from Ireland where the normal food is artery
clogging. But oh so delicious. Egg plant and olives never to be seen

When I worked in the food industry maybe fifty years ago there was
something called the GRAS list. Gnerally Regarded As Safe. No need to
worry about it. I bet that list is a lot smaller now.
amdx
2013-11-08 18:51:20 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.

I for one would be happy to see transfats gone.

I'd like to see a good tasting healthy microwave popcorn.

Mikek
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-08 19:11:41 UTC
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Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Mikek
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
amdx
2013-11-08 20:41:03 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-08 22:01:36 UTC
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Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
John H
2013-11-08 22:25:57 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
You can't really blame them for trying to undo the current administration.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Mr. Luddite
2013-11-08 23:19:03 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Hypothetical:

The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.

The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.

The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.

As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?

Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.


Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-08 23:36:32 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.

Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
Mr. Luddite
2013-11-09 00:23:23 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.

I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-09 00:45:59 UTC
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Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
I don't know how the GOP extricates itself from the crazies who control
the party or whether it even wants to do so. The U.S. House Tea Party
members are in safe gerrymandered districts. Sitting U.S. Senators are
hard to pry out of office. The last two days of negative comments coming
from the far right about Chris Christie are, I think, indicators that
the Republicans aren't going to change. The funny thing, of course, is
that Christie is a genuine conservative, but not conservative enough for
the Tea Party types.

Of course I have no idea who is going to be the standard bearer for
either party in 2016. But I do know that for the Dems, it will not be a
crazy person. For the Repubs, I'm pretty sure it will be. Someone like
Jon Huntsman, Jr., hasn't a chance for the nomination, but he'd do well
in the general election.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
Charlemagne
2013-11-09 12:06:24 UTC
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Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
--
Obama lied, PERIOD!
Mr. Luddite
2013-11-09 13:23:48 UTC
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Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Because Harry's response represented a mature, lawful challenge to the
proposed hypothetical legislation. He didn't suggest forcing a
government shutdown or reading from Dr. Seuss on the Senate floor in
order to get his way.
Charlemagne
2013-11-09 15:05:51 UTC
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Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Because Harry's response represented a mature, lawful challenge to the
proposed hypothetical legislation. He didn't suggest forcing a
government shutdown or reading from Dr. Seuss on the Senate floor in
order to get his way.
Yeah, cause that's never been done before... Funny how it's heroic when
a democrat does it...
--
Obama lied, PERIOD!
iBoaterer
2013-11-09 15:32:25 UTC
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Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Because Harry's response represented a mature, lawful challenge to the
proposed hypothetical legislation. He didn't suggest forcing a
government shutdown or reading from Dr. Seuss on the Senate floor in
order to get his way.
Remember, you're not dealing with a rational person, his jawbone is
troubling him.
iBoaterer
2013-11-09 15:31:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
amdx
2013-11-09 17:09:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
John H
2013-11-10 13:58:14 UTC
Permalink
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.

FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).

Just remember, filters are your friend.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Charlemagne
2013-11-10 14:21:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.
I never said anything about a Jawbone. Kevin is just a drunken idiot...
Post by John H
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
--
Obama lied, PERIOD!
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-10 14:26:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Charlemagne
I never said anything about a Jawbone. Kevin is just a drunken idiot...
You claimed here that when you were 12, your jaw or something in your
jaw was broken. That would imply a bone.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
iBoaterer
2013-11-10 14:30:37 UTC
Permalink
Post by Charlemagne
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.
I never said anything about a Jawbone. Kevin is just a drunken idiot...
Post by John H
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
See? Another one of your delusional, non-factual insane lies. Where does
this "drunken" shit come from? As for the jawbone, YOU told someone
right here, when asked about your delusional unfactual crap that you
post it because you got your face smashed in.
True North
2013-11-10 14:45:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.
I never said anything about a Jawbone. Kevin is just a drunken idiot...
Post by John H
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
See? Another one of your delusional, non-factual insane lies. Where does
this "drunken" shit come from? As for the jawbone, YOU told someone
right here, when asked about your delusional unfactual crap that you
post it because you got your face smashed in.
L'il Snot tells so many lies that even he can't figure out his own reality.
That explains his Neverland PeterPan/TinkerBell lifestyle.
Hank©
2013-11-10 14:57:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by True North
tells so many lies that even he can't figure out his own reality.
That explains his Neverland PeterPan/TinkerBell lifestyle.
Lying is an explanation for those types of behaviors? Who would have known?
John H
2013-11-10 21:23:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hank©
Post by True North
tells so many lies that even he can't figure out his own reality.
That explains his Neverland PeterPan/TinkerBell lifestyle.
Lying is an explanation for those types of behaviors? Who would have known?
What type of behaviors? Have you got something against Peter Pan or Tinkerbell? Hell, Tink is one
cute little bugger! And I'm sure there are a few gay marriage proponents here who think Peter Pan is
pretty damn cute also!

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
True North
2013-11-10 21:26:23 UTC
Permalink
Well Johnny, if L'il Snottie is your kind of guy...have at him.
John H
2013-11-10 22:44:54 UTC
Permalink
Post by True North
Well Johnny, if L'il Snottie is your kind of guy...have at him.
Are you calling Scotty a name? And...for what would I 'have at him'?

Again, without a quote of a previous post, your post doesn't make much sense to me.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
iBoaterer
2013-11-11 12:24:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by John H
Post by True North
Well Johnny, if L'il Snottie is your kind of guy...have at him.
Are you calling Scotty a name? And...for what would I 'have at him'?
Again, without a quote of a previous post, your post doesn't make much sense to me.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Senility is a bitch, eh?
Hank©
2013-11-10 21:07:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by John H
Post by Hank©
Post by True North
tells so many lies that even he can't figure out his own reality.
That explains his Neverland PeterPan/TinkerBell lifestyle.
Lying is an explanation for those types of behaviors? Who would have known?
What type of behaviors? Have you got something against Peter Pan or Tinkerbell? Hell, Tink is one
cute little bugger! And I'm sure there are a few gay marriage proponents here who think Peter Pan is
pretty damn cute also!
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
I don't have to explain it to you. You aren't Don or Loogie. ;-)
amdx
2013-11-10 14:25:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.

Mikek

Obama Lied... Period
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-10 14:35:39 UTC
Permalink
Post by amdx
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone
and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one
and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
Mr. Luddite
2013-11-10 15:17:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
I never really understood "new math". The reference point changes
therefore you are now a "tad" bit to the left?

Looking back, you used to be where you claim to be now but I think more
recently you took a hard turn to port somewhere along the line.

One thing that I just don't get:

Progressives push for entitlements and "do good" programs that from a
compassionate point of view nobody can really argue with. But the hard
core reality is that the country is going broke (or *is* broke) with
what we have in tax revenue based programs now. Other posters have
pointed out that slashing defense spending still doesn't come close to
filling the coffers to pay for what's in force now, let alone pay for
more. Same with business tax revenues and the "1 per centers".
Nailing them with high marginal taxes still won't raise enough money.
The deficits still have to be borrowed.

Somewhere along the line ... and this is where some of the Tea Party
preachings have some validity ... some very difficult decisions are
going to have to be made in terms of how much tax revenues can continue
to be earmarked for entitlements. The progressive philosophy seems to
always be "we can't afford *not* to invest in these federally funded
programs. Seems to me we can't afford much of anything ... period.

This, along with the article I referenced in an earlier post this
morning about a prediction that, unless things change, in four years
there will be more work-age people *not* working and collecting some
form of federal aid than people working and paying taxes only makes
matters much worse.
amdx
2013-11-10 17:03:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
I never really understood "new math". The reference point changes
therefore you are now a "tad" bit to the left?
Looking back, you used to be where you claim to be now but I think more
recently you took a hard turn to port somewhere along the line.
Progressives push for entitlements and "do good" programs that from a
compassionate point of view nobody can really argue with.
Compassion can't be argued with, but it can be argued and won that a
job and a complete family is better than welfare for generations.
Having a job and looking to improve yourself and your position in
life is a big positive for society. Waiting for the first of the month
to get your check and for your EBT card refill is not a positive for
life and not conducive to keeping a family together.
Short term help for tough times is good, but to turn it into a way of
life is not.
But, I'm not telling you anything you didn't know. I just wanted to
say it! :-)
Mikek

Obama Lied...Period
amdx
2013-11-10 17:17:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by amdx
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
I never really understood "new math". The reference point changes
therefore you are now a "tad" bit to the left?
Looking back, you used to be where you claim to be now but I think more
recently you took a hard turn to port somewhere along the line.
Progressives push for entitlements and "do good" programs that from a
compassionate point of view nobody can really argue with.
Compassion can't be argued with, but it can be argued and won that a
job and a complete family is better than welfare for generations.
Having a job and looking to improve yourself and your position in
life is a big positive for society. Waiting for the first of the month
to get your check and for your EBT card refill is not a positive for
life and not conducive to keeping a family together.
Short term help for tough times is good, but to turn it into a way of
life is not.
But, I'm not telling you anything you didn't know. I just wanted to
say it! :-)
Mikek
Obama Lied...Period
Oh I wanted to add, I saw a picture, it had two photos, one had Yogi
bear holding a sign that said "Please Do Not Feed The Animals. The
stated reason for the policy is because the animals will grow dependent
on the handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves.
The second photo, a sign on a bus stop shelter, it said,
"Food Stamps are here for you"
The Food Stamp Program, administered by the Dept. of Agriculture,
is actually proud of the fact it is distributing the greatest
amount of free meals and food stamps ever."
Mikek
John H
2013-11-10 21:29:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
I never really understood "new math". The reference point changes
therefore you are now a "tad" bit to the left?
Looking back, you used to be where you claim to be now but I think more
recently you took a hard turn to port somewhere along the line.
Progressives push for entitlements and "do good" programs that from a
compassionate point of view nobody can really argue with. But the hard
core reality is that the country is going broke (or *is* broke) with
what we have in tax revenue based programs now. Other posters have
pointed out that slashing defense spending still doesn't come close to
filling the coffers to pay for what's in force now, let alone pay for
more. Same with business tax revenues and the "1 per centers".
Nailing them with high marginal taxes still won't raise enough money.
The deficits still have to be borrowed.
Somewhere along the line ... and this is where some of the Tea Party
preachings have some validity ... some very difficult decisions are
going to have to be made in terms of how much tax revenues can continue
to be earmarked for entitlements. The progressive philosophy seems to
always be "we can't afford *not* to invest in these federally funded
programs. Seems to me we can't afford much of anything ... period.
This, along with the article I referenced in an earlier post this
morning about a prediction that, unless things change, in four years
there will be more work-age people *not* working and collecting some
form of federal aid than people working and paying taxes only makes
matters much worse.
Coincidentally, today's Washington Post had an article about the harm 'do good' food stamps are
causing.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sf/national/2013/11/09/too-much-of-too-little/?wpisrc=nl_cuzheads

When reading about the crap the kids were getting for breakfast, I kept wondering why the mom didn't
do what my mom did to feed five boys on a sergeant's pay. We ate lots of oatmeal and cream-of-wheat
for breakfast. Sometimes we got some raisons therein. We also ate lots of greens,

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Hank©
2013-11-10 14:59:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone
and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one
and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
I'd love to see you try to stand on a balance beam, you lopsided oaf.
amdx
2013-11-10 16:52:07 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hank©
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone
and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one
and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
I'd love to see you try to stand on a balance beam, you lopsided oaf.
Lol, belly laugh :-)
As much as I'm against name calling, that was funny.
Mikek
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-10 17:13:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by amdx
Post by Hank©
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone
and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for
months and months.
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one
and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
I'd love to see you try to stand on a balance beam, you lopsided oaf.
Lol, belly laugh :-)
As much as I'm against name calling, that was funny.
Mikek
It figures you also would be a fan of junior high school level humor.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
amdx
2013-11-10 18:12:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by Hank©
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone
and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for
months and months.
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one
and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
Thanks, I printed it out.
I don't filter, if a topic doesn't interest me I just ignore.
FOAD is fun because he is so far left that he says things even he
doesn't believe. iboater just follows the lead of FOAD.
Mikek
Actually, Mikey, I'm just a tad left of where the center in this country
used to be. The problem is the "right" has moved so far to the right it
has shifted the center. As to whether I state in my political posts what
I believe, well, sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but you aren't
equipped intellectually to offer up such a judgment.
I'd love to see you try to stand on a balance beam, you lopsided oaf.
Lol, belly laugh :-)
As much as I'm against name calling, that was funny.
Mikek
It figures you also would be a fan of junior high school level humor.
I would expect no less than a personal attack from you.
Mikek
g***@aol.com
2013-11-10 18:10:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Hank©
I'd love to see you try to stand on a balance beam, you lopsided oaf.
Real men stand on a tie beam with a concrete pump hose.
iBoaterer
2013-11-10 14:28:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Loogy and iboater are one and the same. Scotty had hurt his jawbone and made mention of same. Loogy
tends to take a statement like that and use it against Scotty for months and months.
FOAD, ESAD, Krause, and Harry (along with several other names) are one and the same. Harry despises
anyone who is anonymous on usenet (except himself of course).
Just remember, filters are your friend.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
How am I using something SCOTTY said against Scotty??? Someone here
asked Scotty where and why he comes up with insane, delusional non-
factual crap, and his answer was that he got his face smashed in.
John H
2013-11-10 19:59:58 UTC
Permalink
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Oh, I forgot, John H is a racist asshole, according to Krause anyway.

John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
iBoaterer
2013-11-10 20:27:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by John H
Post by amdx
Post by iBoaterer
Post by Charlemagne
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by F.O.A.D.
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
The impossible happens and Ted Cruz is elected POTUS in 2016. In the
first few months of his presidency two bills are introduced in Congress
with the full support of Cruz who promises to immediately sign them into
law.
The first is to overturn Roe v. Wade, making abortions illegal.
The second is to reinstate both prayer and teaching of creationism in
public schools.
As a liberal, progressive Democrat, how hard would you be willing to
fight to prevent these bills from becoming law?
Point is the Tea Party crowd are as passionate about their beliefs as
liberal Democrats are about theirs.
Disclaimer: This post is in no way intended to suggest agreement or
support of the "Tea Party" movement.
There's not much that can be done while such bills were moving through
Congress. If they were passed, though, I of course would support the
efforts of interested parties to file suit in U.S. District Court in the
District of Columbia for injunctions, which I assure you would be
granted. The District Court would find both unConstitutional. Cruz would
appeal to the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Fourth District, which would
uphold the District Court. Cruz would try to get the U.S. Supreme Court
to take an appeal. Since both laws would be in violation of settled law,
it is not likely the Supremes would take the case. If they did, they
would find for settled law, and Cruz would again be the fool.
Those sorts of beliefs of course would keep Cruz from being elected in
the first place. Cruz would be slaughtered in the popular and electoral
vote and that might actually signal the end of the Republican Party.
Thoughtful answer. Thanks.
I guess the Tea Party crowd don't want to mess with courts, so they just
block everything at the Congress level.
How is that different than Obama making laws by decree and using his
agencies as hammers, like the IRS, HHS, DOJ...?
Oh, good god, your jawbone needs to relax......
I must not have perused this group long enough to have heard the
jawbone story, can someone get me up to date about it?
Also, can some make a list of alias's, I don't know who the references
refer to.
Loogie
Harry
etc.
etc.
Oh, I forgot, John H is a racist asshole, according to Krause anyway.
John H. -- Hope you're having a great day!
No, your a racist because you are a racist.
Califbill
2013-11-09 00:51:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-09 01:02:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Califbill
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.
You see the same percentage of people of color at Tea Bagger rallies as
you do at the Republican National Convention.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
Califbill
2013-11-09 03:10:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by Califbill
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.
You see the same percentage of people of color at Tea Bagger rallies as
you do at the Republican National Convention.
And I see colors there too.
Mr. Luddite
2013-11-09 01:10:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by Califbill
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.
Thing is Bill, the USA has plenty of tax revenues available to pay for
all kinds of things, including a systematic reduction of debt, if we
were willing to make the hard choices and re-arrange spending
priorities. The current administration hasn't seriously dealt with
that, mainly because of the protective nature of Congress members for
programs that benefit their home states.

The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.

Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.
Califbill
2013-11-09 03:10:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by Califbill
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.
Thing is Bill, the USA has plenty of tax revenues available to pay for
all kinds of things, including a systematic reduction of debt, if we were
willing to make the hard choices and re-arrange spending priorities. The
current administration hasn't seriously dealt with that, mainly because
of the protective nature of Congress members for programs that benefit their home states.
The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.
Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.
We could cut defense spending 100% and we could still not pay down our
debt. We have 46% of the people not paying any income taxes! with EIC
giving checks to some of those. About 85% of our tax revenue is for
spending on mandatory items. SS, entitlements such as retirement, etc. we
have to bite the bullet and stop spending our kids money, and both cut
spending and raise taxes. Both on those now paying taxes and those
presently getting a free ride. Is just not this administration that is
overspending, but they are printing money like mad, which is going to be
the semi hidden tax of inflation. Also leading us to lose reserve currency
status. My oldest daughter is 40 years old. I think same as you're
child. How the hell have we burdened them with so much debt, for no
infrastructure? At least in Ike's time we build highways with our
spending. 40 years ago, the debt was only about $650 billion. We have to
decide that the people actually have to work for a living. We give 99
weeks of unemployment now. You could get an Associates degree in less
time. Maybe we have to go back to the 26 weeks and those people will have
to get a job with a cut in pay. Why do we have so many Latinos here
working when citizens state they can not get a job? Lack of work ethic?
Mr. Luddite
2013-11-09 04:57:53 UTC
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Post by Califbill
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by Califbill
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.
Thing is Bill, the USA has plenty of tax revenues available to pay for
all kinds of things, including a systematic reduction of debt, if we were
willing to make the hard choices and re-arrange spending priorities. The
current administration hasn't seriously dealt with that, mainly because
of the protective nature of Congress members for programs that benefit their home states.
The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.
Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.
We could cut defense spending 100% and we could still not pay down our
debt. We have 46% of the people not paying any income taxes! with EIC
giving checks to some of those. About 85% of our tax revenue is for
spending on mandatory items. SS, entitlements such as retirement, etc. we
have to bite the bullet and stop spending our kids money, and both cut
spending and raise taxes. Both on those now paying taxes and those
presently getting a free ride. Is just not this administration that is
overspending, but they are printing money like mad, which is going to be
the semi hidden tax of inflation. Also leading us to lose reserve currency
status. My oldest daughter is 40 years old. I think same as you're
child. How the hell have we burdened them with so much debt, for no
infrastructure? At least in Ike's time we build highways with our
spending. 40 years ago, the debt was only about $650 billion. We have to
decide that the people actually have to work for a living. We give 99
weeks of unemployment now. You could get an Associates degree in less
time. Maybe we have to go back to the 26 weeks and those people will have
to get a job with a cut in pay. Why do we have so many Latinos here
working when citizens state they can not get a job? Lack of work ethic?
Good points. Think I'll move to Costa Rica or something. Getting
depressed with all the problems that apparently have no realistic
solutions. Not programmed for that.
Califbill
2013-11-09 05:20:53 UTC
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Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by Califbill
Post by Mr. Luddite
Post by Califbill
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Seems as if I saw people of color at the Tea Party rallies on TV. Maybe
they are upset with a government than is hell bent on spending us in to
doom. A recession, the like of has not been seen for a thousand years. We
lose World Reserve Currency status and we are probably in worse shape than
most 3rd world countries. A populace who is not inclined to work hard, and
depends way to much on government handouts. Those flyover, redneck areas
will probably survive a hell of a lot better than most Liberal Arts majors,
and large city dwellers.
Thing is Bill, the USA has plenty of tax revenues available to pay for
all kinds of things, including a systematic reduction of debt, if we were
willing to make the hard choices and re-arrange spending priorities. The
current administration hasn't seriously dealt with that, mainly because
of the protective nature of Congress members for programs that benefit their home states.
The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.
Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.
We could cut defense spending 100% and we could still not pay down our
debt. We have 46% of the people not paying any income taxes! with EIC
giving checks to some of those. About 85% of our tax revenue is for
spending on mandatory items. SS, entitlements such as retirement, etc. we
have to bite the bullet and stop spending our kids money, and both cut
spending and raise taxes. Both on those now paying taxes and those
presently getting a free ride. Is just not this administration that is
overspending, but they are printing money like mad, which is going to be
the semi hidden tax of inflation. Also leading us to lose reserve currency
status. My oldest daughter is 40 years old. I think same as you're
child. How the hell have we burdened them with so much debt, for no
infrastructure? At least in Ike's time we build highways with our
spending. 40 years ago, the debt was only about $650 billion. We have to
decide that the people actually have to work for a living. We give 99
weeks of unemployment now. You could get an Associates degree in less
time. Maybe we have to go back to the 26 weeks and those people will have
to get a job with a cut in pay. Why do we have so many Latinos here
working when citizens state they can not get a job? Lack of work ethic?
Good points. Think I'll move to Costa Rica or something. Getting
depressed with all the problems that apparently have no realistic
solutions. Not programmed for that.
Been to Costa Rica several times. First time for 30 days, and figured that
was a week too long. Do not think I would want to move there. But if we
crash, it is going to be a world wide depression, so better to live
someplace where you can fish and grow a nice garden. Sort of Victory
Garden time.
g***@aol.com
2013-11-09 05:55:15 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 08 Nov 2013 21:10:05 -0600, Califbill
Post by Califbill
We could cut defense spending 100% and we could still not pay down our
debt.
It is worse than that. We could cut 100% of all of our discretionary
spending and not eliminate the deficit.
Entitlements and interest on the debt pretty much eats every dime of
revenue. The rest is borrowed.
g***@aol.com
2013-11-09 05:49:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mr. Luddite
The biggest one is defense spending. We could cut it in half tomorrow
and still be spending four times as much as any other nation on the
planet. We don't need 11 aircraft carriers and their support task force
ships anymore. That kind of defense spending is a carry over from the
days of the Cold War and only continues because it protects jobs.
Cuts in defense spending would hurt for a while and cause a kick in
unemployment numbers. But if the economy can start growing again at a
decent rate, those affected will be absorbed into an expanding job base.
Maybe we should send "space" back to DoD so they could hide the money
to get us off the ground again in some big omnibus appropriations bill
like they do the aircraft carriers.

It is easily considered a national security issue that we have no
manned space program and our unmanned program is in tatters.
Fortunately the private sector may come to our rescue.

The next generation of weather and GPS satellites might be privately
owned
amdx
2013-11-09 01:29:27 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash.
I don't think you have met enough Tea Party members to know this.
I have, the ones I have met are middle class or upper middle class.
This is propaganda that you have bought into.
Post by F.O.A.D.
The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
I have not met any Tea Party racists in my area, N.W. Florida.
Tea Party members know that a government and laws are needed for a free
flow of commerce, courts are needed to enforce contracts.
The government is also needed to preserve safety and provide security
for the country. Tea Party members want government, but not one so large
it interferes with freedom of it's people.
Post by F.O.A.D.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
You would need to be ignorant to believe the things you have said.
I don't believe you are ignorant, you just want to spread your liberal
ideas. But, denigrating the other side is not telling the story of
how great liberalism is. You are just making up lies in an effort to
make your side look better. Even the people on your side can see that.

This started when you found an article about banning transfats.
Then you linked that to the Tea Party, this was not in the article
and you gave no reference to provide any link between these two items.
The only place this exists is in your mind.


Mikek
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-09 02:32:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash.
I don't think you have met enough Tea Party members to know this.
I have, the ones I have met are middle class or upper middle class.
This is propaganda that you have bought into.
Post by F.O.A.D.
The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
I have not met any Tea Party racists in my area, N.W. Florida.
Tea Party members know that a government and laws are needed for a free
flow of commerce, courts are needed to enforce contracts.
The government is also needed to preserve safety and provide security
for the country. Tea Party members want government, but not one so large
it interferes with freedom of it's people.
Post by F.O.A.D.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
You would need to be ignorant to believe the things you have said.
I don't believe you are ignorant, you just want to spread your liberal
ideas. But, denigrating the other side is not telling the story of
how great liberalism is. You are just making up lies in an effort to
make your side look better. Even the people on your side can see that.
This started when you found an article about banning transfats.
Then you linked that to the Tea Party, this was not in the article
and you gave no reference to provide any link between these two items.
The only place this exists is in your mind.
Mikek
I've seen enough Tea Party people on TV, being interviewed and at
rallies I happened to be walking by to know what they say they want. Ted
Cruz, Mike Lee, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are your leading Tea
Party types.

The linkage between transfat and the Tea Party was sarcastic. There's no
question you are fully qualified to be in the Tea Party.

Your hero?

http://tinyurl.com/n9dlq8x
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
g***@aol.com
2013-11-09 05:51:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
I've seen enough Tea Party people on TV,
You have seen the silliest people the TV crew could find. It is like
the welfare scammers they interview when they want to slam socialist
policies.
amdx
2013-11-09 13:24:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash.
I don't think you have met enough Tea Party members to know this.
I have, the ones I have met are middle class or upper middle class.
This is propaganda that you have bought into.
Post by F.O.A.D.
The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
I have not met any Tea Party racists in my area, N.W. Florida.
Tea Party members know that a government and laws are needed for a free
flow of commerce, courts are needed to enforce contracts.
The government is also needed to preserve safety and provide security
for the country. Tea Party members want government, but not one so large
it interferes with freedom of it's people.
Post by F.O.A.D.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
You would need to be ignorant to believe the things you have said.
I don't believe you are ignorant, you just want to spread your liberal
ideas. But, denigrating the other side is not telling the story of
how great liberalism is. You are just making up lies in an effort to
make your side look better. Even the people on your side can see that.
This started when you found an article about banning transfats.
Then you linked that to the Tea Party, this was not in the article
and you gave no reference to provide any link between these two items.
The only place this exists is in your mind.
Mikek
I've seen enough Tea Party people on TV, being interviewed and at
rallies I happened to be walking by to know what they say they want. Ted
Cruz, Mike Lee, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are your leading Tea
Party types.
The linkage between transfat and the Tea Party was sarcastic.
You have hundreds of other posts denigrating the Tea Party,
and you have to post another, linking transfat and the Tea Party.
As I said I don't think you are ignorant, and I was right!
It just shows the hate you have, to pick any topic and link it to the
Tea Party.
I think the left is trying put distance between you and them.
Calm down.
Mikek
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-09 13:47:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash.
I don't think you have met enough Tea Party members to know this.
I have, the ones I have met are middle class or upper middle class.
This is propaganda that you have bought into.
Post by F.O.A.D.
The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
I have not met any Tea Party racists in my area, N.W. Florida.
Tea Party members know that a government and laws are needed for a free
flow of commerce, courts are needed to enforce contracts.
The government is also needed to preserve safety and provide security
for the country. Tea Party members want government, but not one so large
it interferes with freedom of it's people.
Post by F.O.A.D.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
You would need to be ignorant to believe the things you have said.
I don't believe you are ignorant, you just want to spread your liberal
ideas. But, denigrating the other side is not telling the story of
how great liberalism is. You are just making up lies in an effort to
make your side look better. Even the people on your side can see that.
This started when you found an article about banning transfats.
Then you linked that to the Tea Party, this was not in the article
and you gave no reference to provide any link between these two items.
The only place this exists is in your mind.
Mikek
I've seen enough Tea Party people on TV, being interviewed and at
rallies I happened to be walking by to know what they say they want. Ted
Cruz, Mike Lee, Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin are your leading Tea
Party types.
The linkage between transfat and the Tea Party was sarcastic.
You have hundreds of other posts denigrating the Tea Party,
and you have to post another, linking transfat and the Tea Party.
As I said I don't think you are ignorant, and I was right!
It just shows the hate you have, to pick any topic and link it to the
Tea Party.
I think the left is trying put distance between you and them.
Calm down.
Mikek
That's right, Mikey. I think the Tea Party and its leaders and many of
its followers are trash. Most Americans also have negative opinions of
the Tea Party.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
Tom Nofinger
2013-11-09 18:56:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
Krause, You're senility is causing you to hallucinate again.

You're confusing the *tea party* with your friends and comrades involved with OWS and the card carriers of the WWP

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Gogarty
2013-11-09 21:11:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
F.O.A.D.
2013-11-09 22:08:41 UTC
Permalink
Post by Gogarty
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
The Tea Party is a conglomeration of white trash, with the emphasis on
trash. The elected politicians who claim to be Tea Party members are
racist obstructionists who hate government and want to destroy it.
They're secessionists. Their followers are ignorant and stupid. I'm not
surprised you admire them and think they are good people.
Got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning?
Just calling them as I've seen them.
--
Religion: together we can find the cure.
Tom Nofinger
2013-11-09 18:47:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Post by amdx
Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
I found nothing in the article that referenced the Tea Party
fighting for the right to eat transfats.
Mikek
Post by F.O.A.D.
No? Didn't you get the email from your local Tea Party chapter?
Nah, the whole topic is just a figment of you paranoid imagination.
You should stop in and visit your local Tea Party, they're a bunch
of good people that think the government is spending way to much
money. Not anyone you need to be afraid of.
Mikek
Krause is a propagandist of Marxism who likes no one, including himself. I honestly feel he has fantasies of perpetually leading the revolution.

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BAR
2013-11-11 02:40:01 UTC
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Post by F.O.A.D.
Save the Transfats!
FDA eyes ban on trans fats due to heart disease risk
Trans fats may be on their way out of U.S. foods.
It is interesting that you are arguing for the furtherence of the police state.
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